Conversation No. 50-1

Date:  March 9, 1971
Time:  8:05 am - 9:43 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Clifford M. Hardin, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Margaret Chase Smith, Norris Cotton, Gordon L. Allott, Peter H. Dominick, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John B. Anderson, Robert T. Stafford, Richard H. Poff, John J. Rhodes, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert C. (ABob@) Wilson, H. Allen Smith, Robert J. Dole, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Herbert G. Klein, Kenneth E. BeLieu, Patrick J. Buchanan, Harry S. Dent, Ronald L. Ziegler, Bryce N. Harlow, John R. Price, Jr., and Edwin L. Harper

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

	Rural America
		-Revenue sharing
		-Importance
			-Des Moines
			-Hardin
		-Problems
		-Population shift
			-Boston, Washington, Chicago, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, San Diego
			-Effect
		-Development
			-Federal budget increase
				-Compared with urban development
		-Griffin, Scott
		-Importance

	Agenda
		-Rural America presentation
		-Southeast Asia
			-Moorer

	An amendment

	President=s schedule
		-Address to Iowa legislature
			-Response
		-Future trip to Rochester
		-Worship services, March 7, 1971
		-The South
		-Rochester
		-Des Moines
			-Response
				-Local
				-Kansas City and Washington coverage
			-President=s speech to the Iowa legislature
			-President=s conversations with governor=s representatives and Congressmen
				-John H. Kyl
			-Advance work
			-President=s speech to legislature
				-Media coverage

	Hardin
		-Meeting with governors of Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, and Iowa
			-Previous meeting in Springfield, Illinois
		-Meeting with farm journalists and radio and television representatives
			-Philadelphia
			-Importance of radio
		-Meeting with Maurice H. Stans, George W. Romney, [Forename unknown] Wharton, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Jack Miller, Kyl, and [Name unintelligible]
			-Prior meeting with President
		-Meeting with media representatives
			-Possible effect
		-Kansas City media representatives

	Stans
		-Minneapolis-St. Paul

	Wharton
		-Denver

	Rumsfeld
		-Memphis

	Romney
		-Washington meetings

	Cabinet activities
		-Speeches, media appearances
		-Hardin
			-Kansas City
		-Effect

	Rural America
		-Development
			-Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
			-Lyndon B. Johnson administration
		-Compared with urban development
		-Productivity
		-Defined
			-New England
				-Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Boston
					-M. C. Smith, Cotton
			-Delaware, Pennsylvania, Southern Illinois
			-Michigan
				-Detroit
				-Grand Rapids
			-California Central Valley
				-Fresno, Bakersfield
					-Importance
			-Colorado
		-Importance of President=s policies
		-Problems
		-Growth centers
		-Income
			-Compared with urban income
		-Ability of states
		-Federal involvement
			-Department of Agriculture
			-Revenue sharing
			-Extension Service
			-Department of Commerce
				-Economic Development Administration [EDA]
			-Department of Agriculture
				-Agricultural Conservation Program [ACP]
				-Great Plains Program
				-Grants
				-Forest Service
			-Budgetary
			-Relationship with states
			-ACP
			-Extension Service
				-Services
				-Employees
		-Charts
			-Des Moines
			-Fargo
			-Population shifts
			-Prior briefing for Senate Agriculture and Public Works Committee
				-Carl T. Curtis
			-Relation between urban and rural areas
				-New York, Iowa
			-Population shifts
				-Upper Michigan peninsula
				-Population
				-Reasons
				-Appalachia, Great Plains, Rocky Mountain states
				-Reasons
		-Development
			-Past efforts
				-EDA
				-Appalachian Commission
				-Title V regions commissions
				-Upper Midwest
				-EDA
				-Evaluation of Cabinet committee
			-Future efforts
				-Growth centers
			-Funding
				-James D. Hodgson
				-Grants
				-Federal/state
		-Charts
			-Explanation
			-Des Moines
		-Development
			-Defined
			-Needs
				-Transportation
				-Housing
			-Water and sewer programs
				-Federal level
					-Farmers= Home Administration
					-Department of Housing and Urban Development programs
					-EDA
					-Appalachian Commission
			-Education
			-Manpower
			-Health services and education
				-President=s recent message
			-Welfare
			-Transportation
				-President=s forthcoming message
			-Environmental programs
				-President=s budgetary proposals
				-Land use
			-Housing
			-Expected effects
			-Current programs
				-Funding
				-Title V, EDA, Appalachian Commission, educational and environmental programs
			-Funding
				-Use
				-Model cities, urban renewal
				-Amount
				-Benefits
				-Basis
					-Population
					-Income
				-Restrictions
			-History
				-Agricultural experiment stations
				-Centers for excellence
					-Cornell
					-University of Wisconsin
					-University of California
				-World War II-era funding
					-Effects
			-Ability of states
			-Revenue sharing
				-Formula
				-Priorities
				-Possible effect on taxes
			-State and regional plans
				-Appalachian area
				-Problems
					-North Dakota
				-Distribution
				-Accountability
					-Governors
					-State legislatures
					-Cities and counties
					-Prior meetings

	Congress
		-Upcoming issues
			-Rules
				-Cloture
					-Miller amendment
					-Frank F. Church, James B. Pearson
			-Constitutional amendment lowering voting age
			-Milton R. Young
				-Appropriations hearings
					-Russell B. Long
			-Interest equalization extension
			-Wage and price control authority extension
			-Credit authority
				-Secretary of Treasury=s testimony
			-Department of Transportation appropriation
				-Supersonic transport [SST]
					-Vote
					-Importance
					-Tokyo - San Francisco
					-Argentina - Miami
				-Opposition
					-Compared with building of first airplane, Valley Forge
					-A speech
					-Opposition
					-Importance

	Moorer
		-Southeast Asia
		-Schedule
		-Briefings for President

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	Vietnam

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The President left at 9:43 am

Conversation No. 50-2

Date:  Unknown between March 9 and March 16, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 9:43 am, March 9 and 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971
Location:  Cabinet Room

Unknown people met

	[Unintelligible]

The unknown people left at an unknown time before 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971

Conversation No. 50-4

Date:  Unknown between March 9 and March 16, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 9:43 am, March 9 and 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971
Location:  Cabinet Room

Unknown people [a tour group] met

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The unknown people [tour group] left at an unknown time before 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971

Conversation No. 50-5

Date:  Unknown between March 9 and March 16, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 9:43 am, March 9 and 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971
Location:  Cabinet Room

Unknown people met

	[Unintelligible]

The unknown people left at an unknown time before 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971

Conversation No. 50-6

Date:  Unknown between March 9 and March 16, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 9:43 am, March 9 and 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971
Location:  Cabinet Room

Unknown people [a tour group] met

	Table
		-Care
		-President=s gift

	An arrival ceremony
		-French Foreign Minister
			-State dinner

The unknown people [tour group] left at an unknown time before 3:06 pm, March 16, 1971

Conversation No. 50-7

Date:  March 16, 1971
Time:  3:06 pm - 4:00 pm
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with William P. Rogers, John B. Connally, David Packard, John N. Mitchell, Winton M. (ARed@) Blount, Rogers C. B. Morton, J. Philip Campbell, Maurice H. Stans, James D. Hodgson, George W. Romney, John A. Volpe, George P. Shultz, Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, John D. Ehrlichman, Robert J. Dole, Alexander P. Butterfield, Clark MacGregor, Robert J. Brown, Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., and Raymond K. Price, Jr
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

	Revenue sharing
		-Unknown people=s responses
		-A Boston paper
		-Mrs. Young
			-Barbara M. Watson [?]
		-President=s meeting
		-Administration campaign
		-Congressional response
		-Governors= response
		-Mayors= response
		-Minority responses
		-Public campaign
			-National Citizens= Committee
				-National Governors= Conference
					-William W. Scranton
					-Albert P. Brewer of Alabama
				-Carl B. Stokes of Cleveland
				-Effectiveness
					-[Forename unknown] Morgan
				-Governor Robert W. Scott of North Carolina
				-Governor Linwood Holton of Virginia
				-Purpose
				-Staff
					-Head of Veterans Administration under Dwight D. Eisenhower
			-Congressional liaison staff work
				-Edward L. Morgan
			-Need
		-Alternatives
			-Wilbur D. Mills
			-[Thomas] Hale Boggs
			-John W. Byrnes
			-Byrnes and [Forename unknown] Stuart
				-Meeting with the President in Des Moines
				-Mills
			-Tax credits
				-Byrnes
				-Problems
		-Public opinion
			-Atlanta, Cleveland, Minneapolis-St. Paul
				-Stans= meetings with newspaper officials
			-Labor
			-Minorities
			-Extension Service employees
			-Minorities
			-Extension Service employees
		-Congress
			-Concern for constituents
				-William J. Scherle of Iowa
					-Council Bluffs
		-Formula
			-Cities and mayors
		-Possible mayoral meetings with the President
			-Council of Mayors
			-Richard G. Lugar
				-Chairman of League of Cities
			-[Forename unknown] Davies
				-Chairman of Conference of Mayors
		-Public opinion
			-Citizens= committees
			-Press
				-Meetings with editorial boards
		-Congress
			-Meetings with Congressional committees
			-Need for action
			-Mills
			-Alternatives
			-Mills
		-Mayors
		-Mills
			-George H. W. Bush
			-Alternatives
				-Social Security, public works, entitlement programs
		-Public opinion
			-Conservation groups

	Volpe=s travels
		-Southeast Asia
			-Federal Aviation Administration and Coast Guard employees in South Vietnam
		-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] meeting
			-Oil Spills Conference
				-Proposals
					-Intentional spills
					-Coast Guard
					-International Maritime Organization
		-India
			-Speaker of Parliament
				-Aviation security, auto safety, public transportation

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation was prepared under court order for Special Access [SA] 65, Pauline W. Kitts, et al. v. General Motors Corporation, Civil Action No. 85-967 JC.  The National Archives and Records Administration produced this transcript.  The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

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		-Airport security
			-Previous State Department conference
				-Attendance by Soviet Union
				-International Civil Aviation Organization
		-Visits with heads of state
			-Thailand
			-South Vietnam
			-Philippines
			-Japan
		-Vietnam visit
		-Southeast Asian development
			-Nixon Doctrine
				-Objective
		-Vietnam visit
			-Meeting with General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., and General John D. Ryan
			-Meeting with Massachusetts Seabees
			-Timing
				-Cambodian invasion
			-Morale
			-Meeting with a governor
				-Communist sanctuaries
			-Conclusions
			-Laos operations
			-US withdrawal of troops
			-State Department cooperation
		-Length

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		Vietnam

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	Foreign travel by Cabinet members
		-Democrats
			-Boggs= press conference
			-[Name unintelligible]
			-Michael J. (AMike@) Mansfield
		-Publicity
			-President=s leadership
			-Effect on 1972 election

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		Laos

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	Nature of foreign policy
		-The President=s leadership
			-Effect on 1972 election

	Revenue sharing
		-Hodgson=s travels
			-Bob James [?]
			-Los Angeles Times editorial board, county supervisors and mayors in Southern California
		-Union and labor response
			-Picketing

	Organized labor
		-Wages and other economic concerns
			-Rhode Island
			-Anti-ballistic missile workers
		-Non-union competition
		-1971 wage settlements
			-A meeting with president of Food Fair
				-Teamsters= Union, building trades
		-Davis-Bacon Act
		-Possible wage and price freeze
		-Davis-Bacon Act
			-Media opinion
		-National Coal Association [NCA] agreement

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 4:00 pm

Conversation No. 50-8

Date:  March 19, 1971
Time:  12:06 pm - 12:13 pm
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Joan Vinson, Carol North, Kathy Plowman, Patsy Crayton, Iris Powers, Mary Jane McManus, Eldora Ford, Mr. and Mrs. Alfred F. Moe, Lieutenant Russ Buckley, Marianne Nelson, Stanley R. Resor, General Bruce Palmer, Major L. Jones, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Lieutenant Colonel Walter B. Ratliffe, John H. Chafee, Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr., General Leonard F. Chapman, Jr., Dr. John L. McLucas, General John C. Meyer, Mrs. Russell Davis, Lieutenant [Forename unknown] Davis, Frank A. Sieverts, Admiral H. H. Epes, Jr., Colonel Milton Kegley, William E. Brock, III, Edward P. Boland, William J. Keating, Romano L. Mazzoli, Robert H. Michel, John T. Myers, William F. (ABob@) Nichols, Thomas M. Pelly, Paul G. Rogers, Garner Shriver, William J. Young, Roger Zion, William L. Dickinson, Olive Hunt, Mrs. Richard Morin, U. Alexis Johnson, and Richard Capen

	[Unintelligible]

	[Applause]

	[General conversation]

The President, et al. left at 12:13 pm

Conversation No. 50-9

Date:  March 23, 1971
Time:  8:03 am - 9:55 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, John A. Volpe, John B. Connally, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Margaret Chase Smith, Norris Cotton, Gordon L. Allott, Peter H. Dominick, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John B. Anderson, Robert T. Stafford, Richard H. Poff, John J. Rhodes, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert C. (ABob@) Wilson, H. Allen Smith, Robert J. Dole, George P. Shultz, Arnold R. Weber, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Kenneth E. BeLieu, Herbert G. Klein, Patrick J. Buchanan, Harry S. Dent, Ronald L. Ziegler, Andy Rouse, and Bryce N. Harlow
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

	Supersonic Transport [SST]
		-Need for support for President=s transportation programs
		-Environmental concerns
			-Sonic boom
			-Flight patterns
			-Engine noise
				-A film from Illinois
				-Reduction
					-Compared with sub-sonic planes
				-Leo L. Beranek [?] committee
					-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
			-Climate and health hazards
				-Volpe=s previous conversation with freshman Congressmen
				-William M. Magruder=s appearance on ADick Cavett Show@
				-Soviet Union
				-Research program
				-NASA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration [NOAA], National Science Foundation
				-Possible cancers
					-President=s and Volpe=s concerns
		-Federal Aviation Administration
			-Certification
		-US technology
		-Funding
		-Comments by head of El Air Airlines
			-French Concorde
			-SST
		-International considerations
			-British and French
		-Testing
		-Funding
			-British, French, Soviets
		-Landing rights
		-Possible delay
			-Soviet SSTs at upcoming Paris Air Show
				-Advertisement
			-Effects
		-Possible cancellation
			-Effects
				-Termination costs
		-Costs
		-Need
		-Employment potential
		-Possible cancellation
			-Effects
				-Unemployment
					-Costs
				-Confidence
					-Effects on President=s reelection
		-Volpe=s efforts
		-French and British competition
		-Technology
			-DC-3
			-Emissions
		-Need for support
		-Decibel levels
		-Priority
			-Compared with urban mass transit
		-Need for support
			-Senate
				-Scott
			-House
				-Republicans
		-Environmental concerns
			-Senator James L. Buckley
			-Industrial technology
			-Skin cancers
		-Economic considerations
			-DC-3s, DC-6s, jets
			-Foreign competition
				-British, French, German, Russian
			-Council of Economic Advisors= report
			-Science Advisory Committee Report
		-Priorities
			-Welfare, hunger, mass transit, urban problems
				-Food stamps
					-President=s record

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		Burma

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	SST
		-Priorities
			-Cost considerations
				-Sources of revenue
				-Defense budget
				-Need for industrial progress
				-Effect on tax revenues
					-Use
		-Environmental considerations
		-Economic considerations
			-Priorities
				-Poverty
		-Upcoming Senate and House votes
			-Public opinion
				-Wright Brothers, jets, DC-3
		-Foreign competition
			-Japanese electronics
		-Technological spin-offs
			-Computers
				-Space program
		-Domestic priorities
			-Compared with space program
			-Historical precedents
		-Need for support
			-US leadership
				-Compared with Christopher Columbus
					-King Ferdinand V and Queen Isabella I
				-Compared with early days of the automobile
					-New York Times

	Government reorganization
		-Ash Council
			-Connally=s work
			-Effect on Cabinet
		-Connally=s presentation
			-Length
		-Ash Council
			-History
			-Membership
				-Roy L. Ash, president of Litton Industries
				-Frederick  R. Kappel, American Telephone and Telegraph [AT&T]
				-Dr. George P. Baker
					-Dean of Harvard Business School
				-Richard M. Paget
					-McCormick, Richardson, and Paget
				-Walter N. Thayer
					-Lawyer, publisher of New York Herald-Tribune
				-Connally
			-Purpose
			-Operation
			-Study of other reorganization reports
				-Herbert C. Hoover
				-Price
				-Highlands
				-Rockefeller
				-Comparison
			-Proposals
				-Office of the President
					-Relations with Congress
					-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
					-Domestic Council
			-Assumptions
				-Cost of government
					-President=s television appearance with Howard K. Smith
				-Effectiveness of government
				-Popular opinion of government
					-Smith
				-Need for reorganization
					-Period of change
					-Popular opinion
				-Purpose
				-Overlapping jurisdictions
					-Mayors, governors
					-Regional headquarters
			-Proposals
				-Functional divisions
				-Presentation to President
				-Presentation to Congress
			-Congressional concerns
				-Committees
				-Extension Service
			-Purpose
		-Compared with SST issue, economic issues
		-Need
			-Public opinion
			-Lines of responsibility
		-Office of the President
			-Needs
				-Benjamin Disraeli
				-Delegation of authority
			-Effectiveness
				-Congressional policies
		-Importance
			-Revenue sharing
		-Connally=s position
		-President=s position
		-OMB
			-Purpose
		-Departmental reorganization
			-Human resources
			-Community development
			-Economic affairs
			-Natural resources
			-State, Treasury, Defense, and Justice Departments
			-Core departments
				-Natural resources
					-Interior, Agriculture Departments, Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
				-Human resources
					-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
					-Labor Department functions
					-Agriculture Department functions
				-Community development
					-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
					-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO], Agriculture Department, Community Action Agencies
				-Economic affairs
					-Compared with Gulf and Western
					-Commerce Department
					-NOAA
					-Labor Department
					-Agriculture Department
			-OEO
			-Budgets
				-Natural resources
				-Economic affairs
				-Community development
				-Human resources
					-Social Security
			-Staffs
				-Natural resources
				-Economic affairs
					-Coast Guard
					-Transportation units
				-Community development
				-Human resources
			-Human resources
				-Secretaries of Agriculture and HEW
				-Division of labor
			-Community development
				-Urban and rural
				-Transportation
				-Housing
					-HUD
				-Federal insurance
				-Highway program
					-Kansas City, Los Angeles, I-66
				-Staff support
			-Natural resources
				-Staff support
				-Land and recreation
				-Water
				-Minerals
				-AEC
					-Glenn T. Seaborg
				-Oceanic, atmospheric and earth services
					-NOAA
					-Bureau of Indian Affairs
						-Consultation
			-Economic affairs
				-Commerce, Agriculture, and Labor Departments
				-Small Business Administration [SBA]
				-Economic Development Administration [EDA]
				-Agriculture Department programs
				-Department of Labor programs
				-Transportation
				-International economic developments
				-Food programs
					-Division
			-Human resources
			-Economic affairs

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation was prepared under court order for Special Access [SA] 65, Pauline W. Kitts, et al. v. General Motors Corporation, Civil Action No. 85-967 JC.  The National Archives and Records Administration produced this transcript.  The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

				-US farmers
					-Business Council meeting
					-Productivity
					-President=s trip to Des Moines
					-Productivity
					-ASalute to Agriculture@ day
					-Effect of departmental reorganization
					-Effect of current programs
					-Special briefing for Congress
					-Peter G. Peterson, Allott, Ford
					-Productivity
					-Des Moines, Chicago appearances of the President
					-President=s upcoming meeting with leaders of the dairy industry
					-German, British, and French productivity
					-Relation to other domestic problems
					-Requirements

	Arends= anniversary as congressman

	Government reorganization
		-Departmental reorganization
			-Human resources
				-Health, human development, and income security
				-Comments of reporters
				-Program coordination
					-Social Services, Manpower, Work Incentive programs
					-New York City Whip Inflation Now [WIN] program
					-Martin=s Ferry, Ohio
				-Elliot L. Richardson
					-Proposed field officials
		-Management system
			-Appointments
			-Budgets
			-Delegation of authority
		-A news briefing
			-Weber and Donald H. Rumsfeld
			-Effect on news bureaus
		-Charts
		-Publicity

	Ranches in California, Texas

	Government reorganization
		-Charts
		-Department of Interior
		-Departmental structure and titles
			-Ash
			-Level III
			-Administrator
			-Undersecretary
			-Assistant Secretary
				-Level IV or III
				-NASA
			-Administrator
		-Army Corps of Engineers
			-Natural resources
				-Other water and soil projects
		-Volunteer agencies
			-President=s speech at the University of Nebraska
			-Peace Corps, OEO
			-Departmental name
			-Volunteers in Service to America [VISTA], Foster Grandparents, Retired Seniors Volunteer Program, student volunteer program, retired executives, SBA executives
			-Peace Corps
				-Secretary of State
			-Teacher Corps
			-Purpose
			-Budget
			-Emphasis
			-Effect on management
			-Local initiative
			-Peace Corps
			-Business programs
			-Status
			-Edwin D. Etherington
			-Purpose
		-Announcement
			-Legislation
			-Reports
		-Congressional study
			-Committees
			-Timmons, MacGregor
			-Government Operations Committee
			-Compared with revenue sharing
		-OMB work
		-President=s position
			-Governmental growth
				-Des Moines
				-Need
				-Ash Council, OMB

	[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 9:55 am

Conversation No. 50-10

Date:  March 23, 1971
Time:  Unknown between 9:55 am and 10:35 am
Location:  Cabinet Room

Unknown people [custodians] met

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The unknown people [custodians] left at an unknown time before 10:35 am